This is actual my 2nd post, because my last one didn't save! Ugh. Well in my opinion, I think that Leonato should have felt great shame in not beleiving his daughter's innocence and wishing her death.I really like what Friar said, especialyl because Friar said it and Friar has stuck through the thick and thin with Hero. Friar said "Upon the instant she was accused, shall be lamented, pitied and accused of every hearer:" I think this line says alot about Hero and Friar's character.
I think that Hero feels betrayed by Claudio because he believed what his friends had told him, and wouldn't even give her a chance to defend herself. I also think that she feels angry because Claudio basically just "tore her apart" in front of everyone, including her very own father. After this Beatrice tell Benedick to kill Claudio. By doing this, Beatrice is getting Benedick to prove his love for her, and she is getting back at Claudio for what he just did to her cousin(Hero). Textual Evidence Act IV: Scene I CLAUDIO: Sweet prince, you learn me noble thankfulness.- There, Leonato, take her back again.Give not this rotten orange to your friend. She's but the sign and semblance of her honor. Behold how like a maid she blushes here! O, what authority and sow of truth can cunning sin cover itself withal! Comes not that blood as modest evidence to witness simple virtue? Would you not swear, all that you see her, that she were a maid, by these exterior shows? But she is none. She knows the heat of a luxurious bed. Her blush is guiltiness not modesty.
I think that Hero felt rather betrayed during this scene. What was happening to her was totally, though comedically, unfair. Claudio, the man who claimed to love her, and Leonato, her father, were destroying her reputation. They didn't trust her at all, and simply based their opinions on evidence that wasn't even very strong. What really suprised me as a reader, and probably Hero's character as well, was the fact that Leonato gave in to Claudio's accusations so easily. He did not even attempt to stand up for his daughter. Leonato quickly says, "I charge thee to do so, for thou art my child," (4.1 Much Ado About Nothing), and readily believes Claudio's statement. I think that this was totally uncool. She must be feeling resentment, anger, betrayal, and revenge at that moment, when everyone started ganging up on her to prove her nonexistent guilt. As for her friends, Beatrice helps out quite a bit. She orders Benedick to kill Claudio for his error. ("I will challenge him," (Benedick, 4.2)) Benedick, out of his love for Beatrice, agrees to do so. The Friar also manages to convince Leonato of the truth, and helps Hero to get an action plan for showing Claudio the error of his ways as well. The only friend of Hero's that does not help her, but rather unknowingly works against her, is Margaret, who claims she did not know of the plan that Borachio had lured her into, but had committed a mistake out of ignorance. Otherwise, Hero's friends were very helpful in getting Claudio back for her.
Hey guys, sorry. That last post was actually me, Pooja. My display name is just sort of messed up.
Pertaining to Shelsey's comment, I agree that the Friar was definitely an instrumental character proving Hero's innocence, and definitely proved himself to be a worthy friend and wise human being in his ability to judge others and decide who is being truthful and who is lying.
I believe that Leonato should have believed his own daughter in her innocence. Although Claudio had good reason to be upset at her. (In his own beliefs) He should have gone further to see if it actually was happening. Because most people refuse to believe slander about their love or lover. Also Friar was pretty much the only person other than Hero herself that believed in her innocence. Also Beatrice trusted her feelings, judgment and Hero,s word that she was telling the truth
Hero must have felt awful, especially since both her to-be husband Claudio and her father practically disowned her then and there in front of all those townspeople at the wedding. The shock must have been overwhelming for her because no one thought she was actually innocent. I think while she was silent (faking dead) that she was just waiting and waiting and hoping that time would pass and that everything would become right. Wouldn't you wish the same if your reputation was ruined on false premises? The Friar plays an important role in convincing Leonato that Hero is actually innocent and that perhaps it is Claudio and Don Pedro that have been mislead. It turns out he is correct and that this whole scheme was behind the dastardly mind of Don John. Beatrice never once doubted that Hero was innocent. She believed that her cousin was being slandered by Claudio, Don Pedro, and Don John, as part of some whole big conspiracy against her. Benedick just went along with whatever Beatrice said and agreed to a fight with Claudio to the death pretty much just because he is in love with her.
I agree with Shelsey about how Leonato just went along with Claudio, Don Pedro, and Don John without a second thought. Nowadays, things are different, but back then, women were considered inferior in pretty much all ways.
I also agree with Pooja about the Friar's importance. He was able to convince Leonato of the real truth and was able to get Claudio and Don Pedro to confess to the truth of what really was behind all these schemes.
I agree with Pooja about Friar's role in this scene. He was able to convince Leonato that Hero was really innocent, and Claudio was falsely accusing her of being unfaithful. He was also able to get Claudio to tell what had really happened.
Hero probably felt disowned and abandoned because no one believed her and let her have a chance to prove her side of the story. She fainted in surprise before she could say anything to defend herself. Hero felt so bad when she realized that her own father believed Claudio. Hero had two caring friends, Beatrice and the Friar. Beatrice tells Benedick to kill Claudio in order to show his true love for her. However, Benedick only challenges him. Also, the Friar comes up with a plan to make Claudio, Don Pedro, and Leonato feel bad for what they said. Beatrice and the Friar couldn't bear to see their friend in such a state and decided to help her. ACT 4 SCENE 1:
Friar: Marry, this, well carried, shall on her behalf Change slander to remorse. That is some good. But not for that dream I on this strange course, But on this travail look for greater birth. She, dying, as it must be so maintained, Upon the instant she was accused, shall be lamented, pitied, and excused of every hearer.
The Friar wants everyone to feel guilty about accusing Hero of being unfaithful and he is comforting her by saying that the people will forgive you.
Hero felt betrayed and mad when Claudio told those lies about her and her father believed him. She was confused because she didn’t know what Claudio was talking about. The friar helped convince Leonato that Hero did not do what Claudio said she did. Beatrice was convinced that Hero was innocent because she was her cousin and she trusted her. Beatrice tells Benidick to kill Claudio or she wouldn’t love him. Benidick decided to help Hero because he loved Beatrice.
I agree with Rachel. Beatrice never doubted Hero's innocence and was always there for support. As I stated in my post, I also thought that the Friar was important because he helped Hero through these rough times.
Hero probably felt very betrayed and worthless, because almost everyone, even her own father, just immediately believed that Hero was cheating on Claudio. They didn't even wait to hear Hero's side of the story, and if they did, they might have actually believed her and that she was completely innocent. During the whole wedding, she was very confused and didn't even understand anything and then she just fainted because of all the confusion. Only Beatrice and the Friar actually believed that Hero was innocent and stayed to help form a plan to get Claudio to love Hero again. Both of them were very supportive for Hero and they definitely helped Hero through these tough times. In Act IV Scene I, the Friar says: "Pause awhile, And let my counsel sway you in this case. Your daughter here the princes left for dead: Let her awhile be secretly kept in, And publish it that she is dead indeed; Maintain a mourning ostentation And on your family's old monument Hang mournful epitaphs and do all rites That appertain unto a burial"
This shows that the Friar wants to help Hero to prove her innocence and has come up with a plan where they pretend that Hero is dead and let Claudio and Don Pedro mourn over her, so Claudio will realize that what he did was wrong.
I agree with Kinjal, because everyone immediately just believed that Hero was the bad guy in this wedding. Beatrice and the Friar both believed Hero, and stayed to help her by proving her innocence.
Also, I agree with Rachel, because while Hero was silent, she was just hoping that Beatrice and the Friar would make everything all right again, like it had been before. The Friar was very important, because he was basically the one who formed the plan to prove Hero's innocence.
Hero probably wanted to say some pretty bad things about her dad and Claudio during the wedding. I know I would feel awful if the man I was about to marry accused me of cheating when i didn't, and then my own father automatically believed him instead of me, his own daughter. The few people who are on Hero's side are Beatrice, Benedick, and the friar. They try to comfort her by saying the people will forget and forgive her, and by trying to prove Claudio wrong. They do this because they feel that the accusations are unfair. Beatrice tries to help by telling Benedick to challenge Claudio to a duel if he loves her. The friar tries to help by telling Hero that people will forget, and that he knew she was innocent from her blushes.
I agree with Cindy, because Hero probably felt really betrayed by Claudio, who she thought loved her, and is now embarrassing her in front of an entire wedding party. She also felt worthless because her own father didn't even believe her.
I disagree with Kinjal, because of how she said "Benedick only challenges Claudio". This makes it seem like Benedick wasn't trying to kill Claudio for Beatrice. When Benedick challenges Claudio, I think he was doing it for the kill, because he seemed really sincere with Beatrice when he said he would kill Claudio.
I think Hero would have felt useless and betrayed because she believes that Claudio has made false accusations of her cheating.Claudio trusted what his friends told him and insulted Hero publicly. Claudio basically ruined her reputation and even her own father, Leonato accused her. Friar, although, convinced everyone that Hero had done nothing wrong and she was falsely accused for being unfaithful.
Textual Evidence Act 4, Scene 1
Claudio: Sweet Prince, you learn me noble thankfulness.— There, Leonato, take her back again. Give not this rotten orange to your friend. She’s but the sign and semblance of her honor. Behold how like a maid she blushes here! Oh, what authority and show of truth Can cunning sin cover itself withal! Comes not that blood as modest evidence To witness simple virtue? Would you not swear, All you that see her, that she were a maid By these exterior shows? But she is none. She knows the heat of a luxurious bed. Her blush is guiltiness, not modesty.
Hero felt terribly on her own wedding day. She must have felt betrayed because Claudio accused her of cheating on him when he had no solid proof. Hero must have also felt very mad because Claudio humiliated her in front of everyone at the wedding, especially her father. She felt disowned and abandoned, and when she was silent, she probably wished everything would turn out fine. Beatrice plays a significant role in this section because she puts Benedict’s love for her to the test by asking him to kill Claudio for falsely accusing Hero of cheating. Another important character is Friar because he was the person who persuaded Leonato that Hero was innocent and didn’t do anything bad like that. His ultimate goal was to make everyone feel guilty for wrongly accusing Hero. Hero felt rejected, angry, and betrayed all at the same time, especially since her own father believed she would do such a shameful act. There was no concrete evidence to prove Hero guilty. (4. 1 Much Ado About Nothing) Claudio- Sweet Prince, you learn me noble thankfulness. There, Leonato, take her back again. Give not this rotten orange to your friend. She’s but the sign and semblance of her honor. Behold how like a maid she blushes here! Oh, what authority and show of truth can cunning sin cover itself withal! Comes not that blood as modest evidence o witness simple virtue? Would you not swear, all you that see her, that she were a maid by these exterior shows? But she is none. She knows the heat of a luxurious bed. Her blush is guiltiness not modesty.
I agree with Kijal because no one had any solid proof, and automatically assumed it was really Hero's fault. I also agree with Pooja that Hero's friends were a huge help in proving her innocence, and how it represents comedy. I also agree with Friar's role in helping Hero because he got Claudio to admitt the truth
I think Hero felt, for the most part, shocked when hearing what her own father and the man she was about to marry say such nasty things about her, so sporadically. It was very hard for Hero to comprehend the rumors said about her. I think that her confusion got the best of her, that being the reason she was so quite and not defending herself. Knowing Hero for so long, Beatrice felt it was her job to stick up for her cousin and stop the lies said by Claudio. If Hero wouldn't defend herself, then Beatrice would. She new the truth about the scandal, and couldn't let her cousin be humiliated by the lies. To save Hero's reputation, and potently her family, she take measures into her own hands. She sends Benedict to kill Claudio.
Woman were not trusted or given the respect that men had during this time period. Hero could have been over looked because of her gender, because very wealthy men were accusing her. I think this is why the people automatically trusted Claudio. Also. I think Leanato was so excited for his daughters marriage, that when he heard the news, before considering it, he was very enraged and shocked. I don't think he truly meant what he said about his daughter.
Act 4 Scene 1
HERO And seemed I ever otherwise to you?
CLAUDIO Out on thee, seeming! I will write against it. You seem to me as Dian in her orb, As chaste as is the bud ere it be blown. But you are more intemperate in your blood Than Venus, or those pampered animals That rage in savage sensuality.
When Hero was quiet I feel she felt extremely confused and betrayed by Claudio and her dad. Hero did not know what they were talking about and only that they were calling her a as Claudio stated, “a beautiful orange that rots inside.” The following conversation was between Claudio and Hero. Claudio said,” I know what you would say: if I have known her, you will say she did embrace me as a husband, and so extenuate the forehand sin. No, Leonato, I never tempted her with word too large but, as a brother to his sister, showed bashful sincerity and comely love.” Hero said in response, “And seemed I otherwise to you?” Hero’s friends care about her and want to clear her bad name. Beatrice is Hero’s cousin so she is loyal to her family. Benedick loves Beatrice and is on Hero’s side basically to impress Beatrice and because he knows Don john is a bad person. Benedick said, “Two of them have the very bent of honor, and if their wisdoms be misled in this, the practice of it lives in John the Bastard, whose spirits toil in frame of villainies.” The Friar is on her side because the church is supposed to be in to forgiveness and Benedick told him about Don John.
I agree with Rachel 100%! The Friar is a very important and in my opinion undervalued character as came up with the plan. I also agree with Shelsey. Leonato is a terrible father for thinking Hero was guility. He should know he raised her well enough not to do what she was accused of.
Hero feels like all the men that she cared about have just left her because she was wrongly accused of cheating on Claudio. When she is quiet during the wedding, she is to shocked to speak and defend herself. Therefore, when she doesn't speak, everyone thinks she is guilty and just won't admit it.
Her friends go to great lengths to help protect Hero's innocence. For example the Friar wants to fake Hero's own death so everyone that blamed her for cheating will feel bad about themselves. An even bigger example of Hero's friend going to great lengths to defend her is when Beatrice tells Benedick to kill Claudio.
Textual Evidence- Lines 291-296
Beatrice:I love you with so much of my heart that non is left to protest. Benedick:Come bid me do anything for thee. Beatrice:Kill Claudio. Bendick:Ha! not for the whole wide world. Beatrice:You kill me to deny it. Farewell.
I agree with Hayley. Hero was definitely shocked at these false accusations and she was very confused while she was listening to Claudio ruin her reputation.
I agree with Rachel because the Friar is playing a huge role in this story. He comes up with the plan to help get Hero's reputation back. I am also positive that everyone would feel bad if their reputation was lost due to false statements
I agree with Kinjal, because none of the people actually had reliable evidence to prove Hero unfaithful and guilty. I also agree with Pooja that Hero's friends helped a lot in helping to prove her innocent.
I agree with Sean about how Hero's friends go to great lengths to help protect her innocence. Friar must have been very important to Hero when she was being accused, because he supported her, even though her own father didn't believe her.
I also agree with Pooja (and Kanwar), about how Friar played an important part in the play, especially for Hero. This overlaps with my comment before this, but Friar was the one that basically got the plot to move forward, by having the ability to convince the other characters of Hero's innocence.
Not all of Hero's friends try to protect her innocence. Only Friar, Beatrice, and Benedick do, and Benedick is forced to because he has to prove his love to Beatrice by agreeing with her on this. Friar is a quick thinker and thinks that if they fake Hero's death not only will it damper the family's disgrace but it will also help her friends to forgive her. At the funeral they will most likely remember the good things and forgive her. Then when they do forgive her they will welcome her back. Then the wedding will continue and they will live happily ever after, like all of Shakespeare's comedies.
During the incident of Hero and Claudio's wedding, Hero must have felt horrible, being betrayed by almost everyone around her. Claudio instantly believed that the shadow he saw in the window was Hero, and decided to shame her infront of so many people, with so little evidence. This was definitely not fair, and to make things worse, everyone believed him! Although back then, women had very little authority in everything, it was not fair that no one cared to listen to Hero's side of the story. The only people that stayed on her side were Friar, Beatrice, and Benedick(under Beatrice's influence). Friar believed in Hero, and was able to convince Leonato that she was innocent. Also, Beatrice was being a very good friend/cousin to Hero, because she also believed in her, even though she didn't know all of the details. She even told Benedick to kill Claudio if he loved her.
Shelsey - Leonato isn't necessarily a terrible father (well back in their time). Looking at this with twenty-first century knowledge, it looks bad but back then women weren't trusted and Claudio was good friends with Leonato, pretty trustworthy, a man, and had evidence (even though it was false). So back then, he would be a credible source.
Sorry this is a day late, we had a family emergency last night and I wasn't at school today.
Anyways, I believe that Claudio was obviously wrong in accusing Hero. But then again, what would you have done? I know it would be nice to say that you would have investigated the situation further and not tried to shame Hero in front of her friends and family...But would you really? Afterall, Claudio thought Don John was one of his friends, so of course he believed him. And seeing a man and a woman (being called "Hero") alone in Hero's room at night would be enough evidence for most people. Yes, Claudio was wrong. So was Leonato in accusing his only daughter of something she didn't do. But you still have to ask yourself, what would you have done, really?
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This is actual my 2nd post, because my last one didn't save! Ugh. Well in my opinion, I think that Leonato should have felt great shame in not beleiving his daughter's innocence and wishing her death.I really like what Friar said, especialyl because Friar said it and Friar has stuck through the thick and thin with Hero. Friar said "Upon the instant she was accused, shall be lamented, pitied and accused of every hearer:" I think this line says alot about Hero and Friar's character.
ReplyDeleteI think that Hero feels betrayed by Claudio because he believed what his friends had told him, and wouldn't even give her a chance to defend herself. I also think that she feels angry because Claudio basically just "tore her apart" in front of everyone, including her very own father. After this Beatrice tell Benedick to kill Claudio. By doing this, Beatrice is getting Benedick to prove his love for her, and she is getting back at Claudio for what he just did to her cousin(Hero).
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Act IV: Scene I
CLAUDIO: Sweet prince, you learn me noble thankfulness.- There, Leonato, take her back again.Give not this rotten orange to your friend. She's but the sign and semblance of her honor. Behold how like a maid she blushes here! O, what authority and sow of truth can cunning sin cover itself withal! Comes not that blood as modest evidence to witness simple virtue? Would you not swear, all that you see her, that she were a maid, by these exterior shows? But she is none. She knows the heat of a luxurious bed. Her blush is guiltiness not modesty.
I think that Hero felt rather betrayed during this scene. What was happening to her was totally, though comedically, unfair. Claudio, the man who claimed to love her, and Leonato, her father, were destroying her reputation. They didn't trust her at all, and simply based their opinions on evidence that wasn't even very strong. What really suprised me as a reader, and probably Hero's character as well, was the fact that Leonato gave in to Claudio's accusations so easily. He did not even attempt to stand up for his daughter. Leonato quickly says, "I charge thee to do so, for thou art my child," (4.1 Much Ado About Nothing), and readily believes Claudio's statement. I think that this was totally uncool. She must be feeling resentment, anger, betrayal, and revenge at that moment, when everyone started ganging up on her to prove her nonexistent guilt.
ReplyDeleteAs for her friends, Beatrice helps out quite a bit. She orders Benedick to kill Claudio for his error. ("I will challenge him," (Benedick, 4.2)) Benedick, out of his love for Beatrice, agrees to do so. The Friar also manages to convince Leonato of the truth, and helps Hero to get an action plan for showing Claudio the error of his ways as well. The only friend of Hero's that does not help her, but rather unknowingly works against her, is Margaret, who claims she did not know of the plan that Borachio had lured her into, but had committed a mistake out of ignorance. Otherwise, Hero's friends were very helpful in getting Claudio back for her.
Hey guys, sorry. That last post was actually me, Pooja. My display name is just sort of messed up.
ReplyDeletePertaining to Shelsey's comment, I agree that the Friar was definitely an instrumental character proving Hero's innocence, and definitely proved himself to be a worthy friend and wise human being in his ability to judge others and decide who is being truthful and who is lying.
I believe that Leonato should have believed his own daughter in her innocence. Although Claudio had good reason to be upset at her. (In his own beliefs) He should have gone further to see if it actually was happening. Because most people refuse to believe slander about their love or lover. Also Friar was pretty much the only person other than Hero herself that believed in her innocence. Also Beatrice trusted her feelings, judgment and Hero,s word that she was telling the truth
ReplyDeleteHero must have felt awful, especially since both her to-be husband Claudio and her father practically disowned her then and there in front of all those townspeople at the wedding. The shock must have been overwhelming for her because no one thought she was actually innocent. I think while she was silent (faking dead) that she was just waiting and waiting and hoping that time would pass and that everything would become right. Wouldn't you wish the same if your reputation was ruined on false premises? The Friar plays an important role in convincing Leonato that Hero is actually innocent and that perhaps it is Claudio and Don Pedro that have been mislead. It turns out he is correct and that this whole scheme was behind the dastardly mind of Don John. Beatrice never once doubted that Hero was innocent. She believed that her cousin was being slandered by Claudio, Don Pedro, and Don John, as part of some whole big conspiracy against her. Benedick just went along with whatever Beatrice said and agreed to a fight with Claudio to the death pretty much just because he is in love with her.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Shelsey about how Leonato just went along with Claudio, Don Pedro, and Don John without a second thought. Nowadays, things are different, but back then, women were considered inferior in pretty much all ways.
ReplyDeleteI also agree with Pooja about the Friar's importance. He was able to convince Leonato of the real truth and was able to get Claudio and Don Pedro to confess to the truth of what really was behind all these schemes.
I agree with Pooja about Friar's role in this scene. He was able to convince Leonato that Hero was really innocent, and Claudio was falsely accusing her of being unfaithful. He was also able to get Claudio to tell what had really happened.
ReplyDeleteI know this is sort of off topic, but Mrs. Greene, change the colors on here!!!! My eyes are dying from brightness!!!
ReplyDeleteHero probably felt disowned and abandoned because no one believed her and let her have a chance to prove her side of the story. She fainted in surprise before she could say anything to defend herself. Hero felt so bad when she realized that her own father believed Claudio. Hero had two caring friends, Beatrice and the Friar. Beatrice tells Benedick to kill Claudio in order to show his true love for her. However, Benedick only challenges him. Also, the Friar comes up with a plan to make Claudio, Don Pedro, and Leonato feel bad for what they said. Beatrice and the Friar couldn't bear to see their friend in such a state and decided to help her.
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Friar: Marry, this, well carried, shall on her behalf Change slander to remorse. That is some good. But not for that dream I on this strange course, But on this travail look for greater birth. She, dying, as it must be so maintained, Upon the instant she was accused, shall be lamented, pitied, and excused of every hearer.
The Friar wants everyone to feel guilty about accusing Hero of being unfaithful and he is comforting her by saying that the people will forgive you.
Hero felt betrayed and mad when Claudio told those lies about her and her father believed him. She was confused because she didn’t know what Claudio was talking about. The friar helped convince Leonato that Hero did not do what Claudio said she did. Beatrice was convinced that Hero was innocent because she was her cousin and she trusted her. Beatrice tells Benidick to kill Claudio or she wouldn’t love him. Benidick decided to help Hero because he loved Beatrice.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Rachel. Beatrice never doubted Hero's innocence and was always there for support. As I stated in my post, I also thought that the Friar was important because he helped Hero through these rough times.
ReplyDeleteHero probably felt very betrayed and worthless, because almost everyone, even her own father, just immediately believed that Hero was cheating on Claudio. They didn't even wait to hear Hero's side of the story, and if they did, they might have actually believed her and that she was completely innocent. During the whole wedding, she was very confused and didn't even understand anything and then she just fainted because of all the confusion. Only Beatrice and the Friar actually believed that Hero was innocent and stayed to help form a plan to get Claudio to love Hero again. Both of them were very supportive for Hero and they definitely helped Hero through these tough times.
ReplyDeleteIn Act IV Scene I, the Friar says:
"Pause awhile,
And let my counsel sway you in this case.
Your daughter here the princes left for dead:
Let her awhile be secretly kept in,
And publish it that she is dead indeed;
Maintain a mourning ostentation
And on your family's old monument
Hang mournful epitaphs and do all rites
That appertain unto a burial"
This shows that the Friar wants to help Hero to prove her innocence and has come up with a plan where they pretend that Hero is dead and let Claudio and Don Pedro mourn over her, so Claudio will realize that what he did was wrong.
I agree with Kinjal, because everyone immediately just believed that Hero was the bad guy in this wedding. Beatrice and the Friar both believed Hero, and stayed to help her by proving her innocence.
ReplyDeleteAlso, I agree with Rachel, because while Hero was silent, she was just hoping that Beatrice and the Friar would make everything all right again, like it had been before. The Friar was very important, because he was basically the one who formed the plan to prove Hero's innocence.
Hero probably wanted to say some pretty bad things about her dad and Claudio during the wedding. I know I would feel awful if the man I was about to marry accused me of cheating when i didn't, and then my own father automatically believed him instead of me, his own daughter. The few people who are on Hero's side are Beatrice, Benedick, and the friar. They try to comfort her by saying the people will forget and forgive her, and by trying to prove Claudio wrong. They do this because they feel that the accusations are unfair. Beatrice tries to help by telling Benedick to challenge Claudio to a duel if he loves her. The friar tries to help by telling Hero that people will forget, and that he knew she was innocent from her blushes.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Cindy, because Hero probably felt really betrayed by Claudio, who she thought loved her, and is now embarrassing her in front of an entire wedding party. She also felt worthless because her own father didn't even believe her.
ReplyDeleteI disagree with Kinjal, because of how she said "Benedick only challenges Claudio". This makes it seem like Benedick wasn't trying to kill Claudio for Beatrice. When Benedick challenges Claudio, I think he was doing it for the kill, because he seemed really sincere with Beatrice when he said he would kill Claudio.
I think Hero would have felt useless and betrayed because she believes that Claudio has made false accusations of her cheating.Claudio trusted what his friends told him and insulted Hero publicly. Claudio basically ruined her reputation and even her own father, Leonato accused her. Friar, although, convinced everyone that Hero had done nothing wrong and she was falsely accused for being unfaithful.
ReplyDeleteTextual Evidence Act 4, Scene 1
Claudio:
Sweet Prince, you learn me noble thankfulness.—
There, Leonato, take her back again.
Give not this rotten orange to your friend.
She’s but the sign and semblance of her honor.
Behold how like a maid she blushes here!
Oh, what authority and show of truth
Can cunning sin cover itself withal!
Comes not that blood as modest evidence
To witness simple virtue? Would you not swear,
All you that see her, that she were a maid
By these exterior shows? But she is none.
She knows the heat of a luxurious bed.
Her blush is guiltiness, not modesty.
Hero felt terribly on her own wedding day. She must have felt betrayed because Claudio accused her of cheating on him when he had no solid proof. Hero must have also felt very mad because Claudio humiliated her in front of everyone at the wedding, especially her father. She felt disowned and abandoned, and when she was silent, she probably wished everything would turn out fine. Beatrice plays a significant role in this section because she puts Benedict’s love for her to the test by asking him to kill Claudio for falsely accusing Hero of cheating. Another important character is Friar because he was the person who persuaded Leonato that Hero was innocent and didn’t do anything bad like that. His ultimate goal was to make everyone feel guilty for wrongly accusing Hero. Hero felt rejected, angry, and betrayed all at the same time, especially since her own father believed she would do such a shameful act. There was no concrete evidence to prove Hero guilty.
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Claudio- Sweet Prince, you learn me noble thankfulness. There, Leonato, take her back again. Give not this rotten orange to your friend. She’s but the sign and semblance of her honor. Behold how like a maid she blushes here! Oh, what authority and show of truth can cunning sin cover itself withal! Comes not that blood as modest evidence o witness simple virtue? Would you not swear, all you that see her, that she were a maid by these exterior shows? But she is none. She knows the heat of a luxurious bed. Her blush is guiltiness not modesty.
I agree with Kijal because no one had any solid proof, and automatically assumed it was really Hero's fault. I also agree with Pooja that Hero's friends were a huge help in proving her innocence, and how it represents comedy. I also agree with Friar's role in helping Hero because he got Claudio to admitt the truth
ReplyDeleteMy bad i meant kinjal not kijal
ReplyDeleteI think Hero felt, for the most part, shocked when hearing what her own father and the man she was about to marry say such nasty things about her, so sporadically. It was very hard for Hero to comprehend the rumors said about her. I think that her confusion got the best of her, that being the reason she was so quite and not defending herself. Knowing Hero for so long, Beatrice felt it was her job to stick up for her cousin and stop the lies said by Claudio. If Hero wouldn't defend herself, then Beatrice would. She new the truth about the scandal, and couldn't let her cousin be humiliated by the lies. To save Hero's reputation, and potently her family, she take measures into her own hands. She sends Benedict to kill Claudio.
ReplyDeleteWoman were not trusted or given the respect that men had during this time period. Hero could have been over looked because of her gender, because very wealthy men were accusing her. I think this is why the people automatically trusted Claudio. Also. I think Leanato was so excited for his daughters marriage, that when he heard the news, before considering it, he was very enraged and shocked. I don't think he truly meant what he said about his daughter.
Act 4 Scene 1
HERO
And seemed I ever otherwise to you?
CLAUDIO
Out on thee, seeming! I will write against it.
You seem to me as Dian in her orb,
As chaste as is the bud ere it be blown.
But you are more intemperate in your blood
Than Venus, or those pampered animals
That rage in savage sensuality.
HERO
Is my lord well, that he doth speak so wide?
LEONATO
Sweet Prince, why speak not you?
When Hero was quiet I feel she felt extremely confused and betrayed by Claudio and her dad. Hero did not know what they were talking about and only that they were calling her a as Claudio stated, “a beautiful orange that rots inside.” The following conversation was between Claudio and Hero. Claudio said,” I know what you would say: if I have known her, you will say she did embrace me as a husband, and so extenuate the forehand sin. No, Leonato, I never tempted her with word too large but, as a brother to his sister, showed bashful sincerity and comely love.” Hero said in response, “And seemed I otherwise to you?” Hero’s friends care about her and want to clear her bad name. Beatrice is Hero’s cousin so she is loyal to her family. Benedick loves Beatrice and is on Hero’s side basically to impress Beatrice and because he knows Don john is a bad person. Benedick said, “Two of them have the very bent of honor, and if their wisdoms be misled in this, the practice of it lives in John the Bastard, whose spirits toil in frame of villainies.” The Friar is on her side because the church is supposed to be in to forgiveness and Benedick told him about Don John.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Rachel 100%! The Friar is a very important and in my opinion undervalued character as came up with the plan. I also agree with Shelsey. Leonato is a terrible father for thinking Hero was guility. He should know he raised her well enough not to do what she was accused of.
ReplyDeleteHero feels like all the men that she cared about have just left her because she was wrongly accused of cheating on Claudio. When she is quiet during the wedding, she is to shocked to speak and defend herself. Therefore, when she doesn't speak, everyone thinks she is guilty and just won't admit it.
ReplyDeleteHer friends go to great lengths to help protect Hero's innocence. For example the Friar wants to fake Hero's own death so everyone that blamed her for cheating will feel bad about themselves. An even bigger example of Hero's friend going to great lengths to defend her is when Beatrice tells Benedick to kill Claudio.
Textual Evidence- Lines 291-296
Beatrice:I love you with so much of my heart that non is left to protest.
Benedick:Come bid me do anything for thee.
Beatrice:Kill Claudio.
Bendick:Ha! not for the whole wide world.
Beatrice:You kill me to deny it. Farewell.
I agree with Hayley. Hero was definitely shocked at these false accusations and she was very confused while she was listening to Claudio ruin her reputation.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Rachel because the Friar is playing a huge role in this story. He comes up with the plan to help get Hero's reputation back. I am also positive that everyone would feel bad if their reputation was lost due to false statements
ReplyDeleteI agree with Kinjal, because none of the people actually had reliable evidence to prove Hero unfaithful and guilty. I also agree with Pooja that Hero's friends helped a lot in helping to prove her innocent.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Sean about how Hero's friends go to great lengths to help protect her innocence. Friar must have been very important to Hero when she was being accused, because he supported her, even though her own father didn't believe her.
ReplyDeleteI also agree with Pooja (and Kanwar), about how Friar played an important part in the play, especially for Hero. This overlaps with my comment before this, but Friar was the one that basically got the plot to move forward, by having the ability to convince the other characters of Hero's innocence.
ReplyDeleteNot all of Hero's friends try to protect her innocence. Only Friar, Beatrice, and Benedick do, and Benedick is forced to because he has to prove his love to Beatrice by agreeing with her on this. Friar is a quick thinker and thinks that if they fake Hero's death not only will it damper the family's disgrace but it will also help her friends to forgive her. At the funeral they will most likely remember the good things and forgive her. Then when they do forgive her they will welcome her back. Then the wedding will continue and they will live happily ever after, like all of Shakespeare's comedies.
ReplyDeleteI disagree with sean (as was stated indirectly through the message of my comment).
ReplyDeleteDuring the incident of Hero and Claudio's wedding, Hero must have felt horrible, being betrayed by almost everyone around her. Claudio instantly believed that the shadow he saw in the window was Hero, and decided to shame her infront of so many people, with so little evidence. This was definitely not fair, and to make things worse, everyone believed him! Although back then, women had very little authority in everything, it was not fair that no one cared to listen to Hero's side of the story. The only people that stayed on her side were Friar, Beatrice, and Benedick(under Beatrice's influence). Friar believed in Hero, and was able to convince Leonato that she was innocent. Also, Beatrice was being a very good friend/cousin to Hero, because she also believed in her, even though she didn't know all of the details. She even told Benedick to kill Claudio if he loved her.
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ReplyDeleteLeonato isn't necessarily a terrible father (well back in their time).
Looking at this with twenty-first century knowledge, it looks bad but back then women weren't trusted and Claudio was good friends with Leonato, pretty trustworthy, a man, and had evidence (even though it was false). So back then, he would be a credible source.
Sorry this is a day late, we had a family emergency last night and I wasn't at school today.
ReplyDeleteAnyways, I believe that Claudio was obviously wrong in accusing Hero. But then again, what would you have done? I know it would be nice to say that you would have investigated the situation further and not tried to shame Hero in front of her friends and family...But would you really? Afterall, Claudio thought Don John was one of his friends, so of course he believed him. And seeing a man and a woman (being called "Hero") alone in Hero's room at night would be enough evidence for most people. Yes, Claudio was wrong. So was Leonato in accusing his only daughter of something she didn't do. But you still have to ask yourself, what would you have done, really?
I agree with Walter (comment above mine) and Hayley-I wonder why Hero wouldn't stand up for herself? Maybe it was just shock.
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